Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 September 30, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Trump was ranting about election fraud and trying to steal back the country. Interesting perspective looks like your right...go figure Donald Trump leads Joe Biden by 10 points in new poll of the 2024 US presidential race Washington Post-ABC News poll shows the former US president leading Joe Biden 52%–42% Most US national polls taken in recent months have showed a close race between the two https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3235673/donald-trump-leads-joe-biden-10-points-new-poll-2024-us-presidential-race Edited September 30, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE September 30, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Interesting perspective looks like your right...go figure Deflection. Back on topic, acknowledge that trump is suggesting violation of the constitution and that you support his actions. Now back to the topic of high school education... it's "you're." Edited September 30, 2023 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polyphia + 83 LT September 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Deflection. Back on topic, acknowledge that trump is suggesting violation of the constitution and that you support his actions. Now back to the topic of high school education... it's "you're." And "an." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 September 30, 2023 17 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Deflection. Back on topic, acknowledge that trump is suggesting violation of the constitution and that you support his actions. Now back to the topic of high school education... it's "you're." Refresher time possevive adjective..you own it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,540 September 30, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ahh there we go...nicely put. I do believe the opening statement of the US constitution clearly begins with We The People What are you trying to say? The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Citizens cannot just ignore or suspend that document. The citizens, through their representation, can only amend it. Or, write, and approve, another one. Edited September 30, 2023 by turbguy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 September 30, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, turbguy said: What are you trying to say? The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Citizens cannot just ignore or suspend that document. The citizens, through their representation, can only amend it. Or, write, and approve, another one. Odd a man of your stature and accreditation should clearly understand a conceptual question or questions. Along with conceptual outcomes. Yet at the same time for years the Biden administration has attempted and accomplished suppression of free thoughts and expressions of such matters. As matter of fact the US Supreme Court has stepped in and suppressed such egregious actions. It would suggest they (those actions) threaten the very pillars of US democracy..in effect the US constitution. Interesting is it not? Biden administration coerced social media giants into possible free speech violations: court https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/09/08/biden-administration-coerced-facebook-court-rules/70800723007/ US Supreme Court Extends Pause on Biden Social Media Ban https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-22/us-supreme-court-extends-pause-on-biden-social-media-ban Most importantly...it would appear the US public is taking heed of this so called blasphemy..What a time we live in. A unparalleled Drama..enjoy the spectacle. Donald Trump leads Joe Biden by 10 points in new poll of the 2024 US presidential race Edited September 30, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,540 September 30, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Odd a man of your stature and accreditation should clearly understand a conceptual question or questions. Along with conceptual outcomes. Yet at the same time for years the Biden administration has attempted and accomplished suppression of free thoughts and expressions of such matters. As matter of fact the US Supreme Court has stepped in and suppressed such egregious actions. It would suggest they (those actions) threaten the very pillars of US democracy..in effect the US constitution. Interesting is it not? Biden administration coerced social media giants into possible free speech violations: court https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/09/08/biden-administration-coerced-facebook-court-rules/70800723007/ US Supreme Court Extends Pause on Biden Social Media Ban https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-22/us-supreme-court-extends-pause-on-biden-social-media-ban Most importantly...it would appear the US public is taking need of this so called blasphemy..What a time we live in. A unparalleled Drama..enjoy the spectacle. Donald Trump leads Joe Biden by 10 points in new poll of the 2024 US presidential race You think this is the first time that Executive or other Branches has "coerced" media, or even attempted (and succeeded) to suppress speech, or other Constitutional rights of We the People? Let's look at this little sliver of previous "examples", shall we? The Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798, which were passed by a Federalist-controlled Congress and signed into law by President John Adams. These laws made it illegal to publish false, malicious, or defamatory statements about the government or its officials. They were widely criticized for violating the First Amendment, and they were repealed by the Jefferson administration in 1801. The Espionage Act of 1917, which was passed during World War I to prevent espionage and sedition. The act was used to prosecute people who spoke out against the war or criticized the government. One of the most famous cases was that of Eugene V. Debs, a socialist leader who was sentenced to ten years in prison for a speech in which he urged people to resist the draft. The Palmer Raids of 1919-1920, which were a series of raids by the Justice Department on suspected radicals and anarchists. The raids were carried out without warrants, and many people were arrested and detained without charge. The raids were widely condemned as a violation of civil liberties. The McCarthy era of the 1950s, during which Senator Joseph McCarthy and his allies made unsubstantiated accusations of communism against government officials and other individuals. McCarthy's campaign of fear and intimidation led to many people being blacklisted and losing their jobs. The Nixon administration's "enemies list" of journalists and other individuals who were considered to be critical of the administration. The administration used the list to target its opponents for harassment and intimidation. And finally... The Trump administration's attacks on the media, which he frequently labeled as "fake news." Trump also repeatedly attacked individual journalists, calling them names and threatening to revoke their White House press passes. All of those examples are facts. There are plenty more. Now, excuse my thick head as I ask again... What are you trying to say? Edited September 30, 2023 by turbguy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 September 30, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, turbguy said: You think this is the first time that Executive or other Branches has "coerced" media, or even attempted (and succeeded) to suppress speech, or other Constitutional rights of We the People? Appears to be BS..the above postings...did the US Supreme Court intervene and rule them unconstitutional? Asking for a friend of course...he is also asking for link's demonstrating such actions? Edited September 30, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,540 September 30, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Appears to be BS..the above postings...did the US Supreme Court intervene and rule them unconstitutional? Asking for a friend of course...he is also asking for link's demonstrating such actions? Facts are "BS" now? OK... The Courts at all levels, have frequently played a role in protecting freedom of speech from government overreach. The Supreme Court has struck down many laws that have been used to suppress free speech. I would rather just name the cases, then feel free to dig them up. The courts cannot always protect free speech or other rights. The Supreme Court's decisions on free speech are not always unanimous. There have been strong disagreements among the justices about how to interpret the First Amendment. That said, the Supreme Court has consistently held that free speech is one of the most important rights protected by the Constitution. It is also up to the We the People to defend fundamental rights, whether done through the Courts, or through the Ballot Box. Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District (1969): The Supreme Court ruled that students have the right to express their political views in school, even if the school administration does not agree with those views. New York Times Co. v. Sullivan (1964): The Supreme Court ruled that public figures cannot sue for defamation unless they can prove that the defendant published the false statement with actual malice. This decision has made it more difficult for public figures to silence their critics. Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969): The Supreme Court ruled that the government cannot prohibit speech that advocates for illegal activity, unless the speech is likely to incite imminent lawless action. This decision has protected a wide range of speech, including hate speech and political dissent. Texas v. Johnson (1989): The Supreme Court ruled that the government cannot prohibit the burning of the American flag. This decision was based on the First Amendment's protection of symbolic speech. Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (2010): The Supreme Court ruled that corporations and unions have the right to spend money on independent political campaigns. This decision made it easier for wealthy "entities" to influence elections. Need more? Just which parts of the Constitution does #45 want to discard or ignore?? Again, please excuse my thick head... What are you trying to say? Edited September 30, 2023 by turbguy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 September 30, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, turbguy said: Facts are "BS" now? OK... The Courts at all levels, have frequently played a role in protecting freedom of speech from government overreach. The Supreme Court has struck down many laws that have been used to suppress free speech. The courts cannot always protect free speech. It is also up to the We the People to defend fundamental rights, whether done through the Courts, or through the Ballot Box. Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District (1969): The Supreme Court ruled that students have the right to express their political views in school, even if the school administration does not agree with those views. New York Times Co. v. Sullivan (1964): The Supreme Court ruled that public figures cannot sue for defamation unless they can prove that the defendant published the false statement with actual malice. This decision has made it more difficult for public figures to silence their critics. Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969): The Supreme Court ruled that the government cannot prohibit speech that advocates for illegal activity, unless the speech is likely to incite imminent lawless action. This decision has protected a wide range of speech, including hate speech and political dissent. Texas v. Johnson (1989): The Supreme Court ruled that the government cannot prohibit the burning of the American flag. This decision was based on the First Amendment's protection of symbolic speech. Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (2010): The Supreme Court ruled that corporations and unions have the right to spend money on independent political campaigns. This decision has made it easier for wealthy individuals and groups to influence elections. Need more? Just which parts of the Constitution does #45 want to discard or ignore?? Again, please excuse my thick head... What are you trying to say? Let us get past the BS, as of now I am under the impression the US Supreme court has never in US history suppressed a US administration for free speech violations. Perhaps a Day That Will live In Infamously or perhaps not. Donald Trump leads Joe Biden by 10 points in new poll of the 2024 US presidential race Edited September 30, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,540 September 30, 2023 13 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Let us get past the BS, as of now I am under the impression the US Supreme court has never in US history suppressed a US administration for free speech violations. Well, finally, thank you for your clarification. Yes, that is probably true, but is it unique? Here are some examples of cases where the Supreme Court has suppressed the Executive Branch's actions: United States v. Nixon (1974): The Supreme Court ruled that President Nixon had to turn over subpoenaed tapes to the Watergate special prosecutor. This decision led to Nixon's resignation. Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer (1952): The Supreme Court ruled that President Truman did not have the authority to seize steel mills during the Korean War. This decision limited the president's power to take unilateral action. Trump v. Hawaii (2018): The Supreme Court blocked #45's travel ban on citizens from several Muslim-majority countries. This decision limited the president's power to restrict immigration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 September 30, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, turbguy said: Well, finally, thank you for your clarification. Yes, that is probably true, but is it unique? Here are some examples of cases where the Supreme Court has suppressed the Executive Branch's actions: United States v. Nixon (1974): The Supreme Court ruled that President Nixon had to turn over subpoenaed tapes to the Watergate special prosecutor. This decision led to Nixon's resignation. Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer (1952): The Supreme Court ruled that President Truman did not have the authority to seize steel mills during the Korean War. This decision limited the president's power to take unilateral action. Trump v. Hawaii (2018): The Supreme Court blocked #45's travel ban on citizens from several Muslim-majority countries. This decision limited the president's power to restrict immigration. I've never really understood trumps ability to trigger the liberal/progressive mind. I live amount them, there has been many conversations,highly spirited debates. Most off those exchanges in laughter and a touch of nessacry sarcasm. There are a few times he triggers Neanderthal mode, it's very much downhill from there. It can be averted with prompt intervening. But most often as not..It's a lost cause. Edited September 30, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,540 September 30, 2023 17 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: I've never really understood trumps ability to trigger the liberal/progressive mind. I live amount them, there has been many conversations,highly spirited debates. Most off those exchanges in laughter and a touch of nessacry sarcasm. There are a few times he triggers Neanderthal mode, it's very much downhill from there. It can be averted with prompt intervening. But most often as not..It's a lost cause. I believe #45 triggers almost all of society. far left to far right. I think it is blatant narcissism shining brightly. Plenty of Neanderthals on both sides... "Excuse me, Mr. President, could you please strike an appropriate pose for the camera. Perhaps one you have practiced in the mirror for several days before? Yeah! That works"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 September 30, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, turbguy said: I believe #45 triggers almost all of society. far left to far right. I think it is blatant narcissism shining brightly. Plenty of Neanderthals on both sides... "Excuse me, Mr. President, could you please strike an appropriate pose for the camera. Perhaps one you have practiced in the mirror for several days before? Yeah! That works"! Serious that's the same look I give my soninlaw when he enters my house with his man bun on display or once upon a time my son wearing earing in the house..lol let me post a Biden moment. Edited September 30, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,540 September 30, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Serious that's the same look I give my soninlaw when he enters my house with his man bun on display or once upon a time my son wearing earing in the house..lol let me post a Biden moment. "Asking for a friend"... Did the bun or earring ever disappear? Or did "that look" disappear instead? Edited September 30, 2023 by turbguy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 September 30, 2023 24 minutes ago, turbguy said: "Asking for a friend"... Did the bun or earring ever disappear? Or did "that look" disappear instead? In the house...but of course. On the beach nope. Out to eat absolutely. My son has matured, he finally grew out of that Phase Of Life. Many do not. I will soon have my way with my son in law however, I believe running the trust terms by him will make him a new man...But then again he is a pure Norwegian... im only 50%..It's quite a task to tell one of that ancestry what to do...well kinda. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,540 September 30, 2023 (edited) The most important "outcome" of #45's presidency that will be long-remembered was the passage of the Electoral Count Reform Act of 2022 (ECRA). Edited September 30, 2023 by turbguy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM October 3, 2023 (edited) On 9/8/2023 at 9:54 PM, Eyes Wide Open said: On 9/8/2023 at 4:38 PM, notsonice said: Next up Trump on trial in New York On 9/8/2023 at 9:54 PM, Eyes Wide Open said: It should be quite...interesting. Will the prosecution know how to proceed with there case or will they have to ask the court how to proceed with there indictments. GA was a real chit show. Hmmm in New York ....Trump and family found guilty already of civil fraud.....Trump is now babbling BS as his lawyer forgot to ask for a jury trial...... Please take a note ...do not hire the cheapest attorneys you can find as you will not like the outcome And Mondays hearing.....prosecution is proceeding just fine and Trump ....hmmmmm .... everyone can see that he is not doing well How much do you think in the end he will be ordered to pay?????? 500 million.......???? you do realize every time he attacks the judge ......the judgement gets bigger and bigger and bigger good luck trying to find any mistakes by the Judge.....so far Trump has nothing to appeal on........ Bench trial........oh my....those trials are real hard to appeal...nothing on Jury misconduct or Judge errors on Jury instructions 3 month trial in NY..............oh boy ..... Trump did not like the first day....3 months ha ha ha If Ga trial is anything like NY trial........Trump will not fare well again do not piss on the Judge....Judges are not deaf.........they hear all the BS being hurled at them Trumps big mouth is not helping him only money in NY money will not buy ones way out of jail in GA and already one of the defendents in GA flipping....more to come Rats do not like serving time for their master GA was a real chit show.???? was???? NY is the opener....... chit show???? ha ha ha more like a slam dunk by the Judge Edited October 3, 2023 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 October 3, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, notsonice said: Hmmm in New York ....Trump and family found guilty already of civil fraud.....Trump is now babbling BS as his lawyer forgot to ask for a jury trial...... Please take a note ...do not hire the cheapest attorneys you can find as you will not like the outcome And Mondays hearing.....prosecution is proceeding just fine and Trump ....hmmmmm .... everyone can see that he is not doing well How much do you think in the end he will be ordered to pay?????? 500 million.......???? you do realize every time he attacks the judge ......the judgement gets bigger and bigger and bigger good luck trying to find any mistakes by the Judge.....so far Trump has nothing to appeal on........ Bench trial........oh my....those trials are real hard to appeal...nothing on Jury misconduct or Judge errors on Jury instructions 3 month trial in NY..............oh boy ..... Trump did not like the first day....3 months ha ha ha If Ga trial is anything like NY trial........Trump will not fare well again do not piss on the Judge....Judges are not deaf.........they hear all the BS being hurled at them Trumps big mouth is not helping him only money in NY money will not buy ones way out of jail in GA and already one of the defendents in GA flipping....more to come Rats do not like serving time for their master GA was a real chit show.???? was???? NY is the opener....... chit show???? ha ha ha more like a slam dunk by the Judge Ya Don't Say...The drama only begin's. Fraudulently charged? Mugged by a duly elected gov't officials...LMAO just another day in NY....Or was it? Donald Trump claims 'about 80 per cent' of New York fraud case dismissed by Judge as first day of trial concludes The former president said a Judge had agreed the statute of limitations meant he could not face punishment for the majority of alleged crimes in his Max MelzerDigital Reporter 2 min read October 3, 2023 - 10:45AM Donald Trump has claimed "about 80 per cent" of the case against him in a New York fraud trial has been dismissed by a Judge on the first day of proceedings. Speaking on Tuesday morning, the former president said Judge Arthur Engoron had admitted that the majority of alleged crimes under scrutiny in the case could no longer be included due to the statute of limitations on prosecution. Trump's legal team had previously challenged the lawsuit brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James on that basis, with an appeals court ruling in June that the case should be narrowed as a result. However, Judge Engoron had until now seemingly failed to acknowledge that finding, making no mention of it in a pre-trial judgement last week that found https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/donald-trump-claims-about-80-per-cent-of-new-york-fraud-case-dismissed-by-judge-as-first-day-of-trial-concludes/news-story/d2051b6e6f753b49a4d86357fa90b45f Edited October 3, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 October 3, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, notsonice said: Bench trial........oh my....those trials are real hard to appeal...nothing on Jury misconduct or Judge errors on Jury instructions You must be one of the most challenged people I've yet met,as this sitting judge. Perhaps his last Hurrah in a mediocre career...his valuation 18 million...Or did he? Oh the drama.. Judge at Trump civil fraud trial implores media to stop Judge at Trump civil fraud trial implores media to stop saying he valued Mar-a-Lago at $18M By Ben Kochman and Priscilla DeGregory Published Oct. 2, 2023, 6:22 p.m. ET The Manhattan judge deciding Donald Trump’s fate at his civil fraud trial Monday stood by the $18 million valuation of the former president’s sprawling Mar-a-Lago estate — despite real estate experts blasting the estimate as “utterly delusional.” Justice Arthur Engoron again rejected Trump’s claims that Mar-a-Lago is worth $1 billion in favor of the much lower valuation issued by local Florida officials. However, Engoron implored the media to stop reporting that he’d been the one to value the golf club and resort at $18 million — the low end of a determination made by the Palm Beach assessor that has left many real estate industry insiders perplexed. One prominent Palm Beach real estate broker labeled the valuation “utterly delusional” to The Post. “Please, press, stop saying that I valued it at $18 million,” Engoron pleaded, as the trial kicked off in Manhattan Supreme Court in New York Attorney General Letitia James’ $250 million lawsuit against the former president, the Trump Organization and sons Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr. The judge interjected the comment as Trump lawyer Alina Habba had been repeating during her opening remarks that the Palm Beach estate would sell for roughly $1 billion — a figure that Engoron rejected last week in a bombshell ruling. In his decision, Engoron — who is deciding the trial rather than a jury — cited a local Palm Beach County official saying the country club had been assessed at a range of between $18 million and $27 million between 2011 and 2021. In the same decision, Engoron rejected Trump’s expert’s valuation that the Florida estate was worth $1.5 billion, finding the expert’s opinion “unexplained and unsubstantiated ‘dream[s.]'” Industry experts were left scratching their heads at the Palm Beach assessor’s seemingly low estimation, claiming that the resort would list closer to $300 million. https://nypost.com/2023/10/02/judge-implores-media-to-stop-saying-he-valued-mar-a-lago-at-18m/ In 2022, Forbes estimated the value of the estate at around $350 million.[25] Forbes said that 'Real estate experts outside of Palm Beach guessed that the place was worth more than $200 million. Brokers on the island thought it could be worth far more, with the most aggressive estimate coming in at $725 million. When Forbes last valued the property in March, we went with a conservative $350 million.' In a 2022 lawsuit filed by New York Attorney General Letitia James, it was alleged that Trump inflated the value of Mar-a-Lago to $739 million, when the property should actually be valued at $75 million.[39] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago#:~:text=In 2022%2C Forbes estimated the,coming in at %24725 million. Edited October 3, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 October 3, 2023 5 hours ago, notsonice said: GA was a real chit show.???? was???? NY is the opener....... chit show???? ha ha ha more like a slam dunk by the Judge NY is on track to be the greatest chit show on earth...and then comes GA.. Now Impeaching Trump will be the end of all chit shows would it not? That drama begins shortly shortly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM October 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ya Don't Say...The drama only begin's. Fraudulently charged? Mugged by a duly elected gov't officials...LMAO just another day in NY....Or was it? Donald Trump claims 'about 80 per cent' of New York fraud case dismissed by Judge as first day of trial concludes The former president said a Judge had agreed the statute of limitations meant he could not face punishment for the majority of alleged crimes in his Max MelzerDigital Reporter 2 min read October 3, 2023 - 10:45AM Donald Trump has claimed "about 80 per cent" of the case against him in a New York fraud trial has been dismissed by a Judge on the first day of proceedings. Speaking on Tuesday morning, the former president said Judge Arthur Engoron had admitted that the majority of alleged crimes under scrutiny in the case could no longer be included due to the statute of limitations on prosecution. Trump's legal team had previously challenged the lawsuit brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James on that basis, with an appeals court ruling in June that the case should be narrowed as a result. However, Judge Engoron had until now seemingly failed to acknowledge that finding, making no mention of it in a pre-trial judgement last week that found https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/donald-trump-claims-about-80-per-cent-of-new-york-fraud-case-dismissed-by-judge-as-first-day-of-trial-concludes/news-story/d2051b6e6f753b49a4d86357fa90b45f Fraudulently charged?....Your law degree? from Trump U?????? lol yep that's what all defendants claim ha ha ha pay attention....Trump has already appealed to a higher court and they did not find fraud in the charges His lawyers did not file in the Appeals Court, again,to stop the trial??????.....based on Trumps baseless new claims???? hmmmmmm.......same lawyers who forgot to request a bench trial..... Trump also claims that his disclaimer in all of his financial statements protects him against fraud claims...ha ha ha Reality........Lying and making fraudulent claims as a business practice is never protected by any disclaimer..... My apartment is 30,000 sq ft when it is 10,000 sq ft and using the valuation of a 30,000 sq ft apartment as the basis for loans is Fraud as the Judge has already found......Guilty....enjoy the verdict on that one Mugged by a duly elected gov't officials??? oh boy you should join Trumps legal team..........Your law degree? from Trump U?????? Enjoy the trial, where Trumps BS means nothing Appeals Court Rejects Trump's Effort to Delay Fraud Trial ... The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com › trump-fraud-judge-appeal 5 days ago — Donald J. Trump's civil fraud trial over accusations that he inflated the value of his properties by billions of dollars will likely begin ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM October 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said: You must be one of the most challenged people I've yet met,as this sitting judge. Perhaps his last Hurrah in a mediocre career...his valuation 18 million...Or did he? Oh the drama.. Judge at Trump civil fraud trial implores media to stop Judge at Trump civil fraud trial implores media to stop saying he valued Mar-a-Lago at $18M By Ben Kochman and Priscilla DeGregory Published Oct. 2, 2023, 6:22 p.m. ET The Manhattan judge deciding Donald Trump’s fate at his civil fraud trial Monday stood by the $18 million valuation of the former president’s sprawling Mar-a-Lago estate — despite real estate experts blasting the estimate as “utterly delusional.” Justice Arthur Engoron again rejected Trump’s claims that Mar-a-Lago is worth $1 billion in favor of the much lower valuation issued by local Florida officials. However, Engoron implored the media to stop reporting that he’d been the one to value the golf club and resort at $18 million — the low end of a determination made by the Palm Beach assessor that has left many real estate industry insiders perplexed. One prominent Palm Beach real estate broker labeled the valuation “utterly delusional” to The Post. “Please, press, stop saying that I valued it at $18 million,” Engoron pleaded, as the trial kicked off in Manhattan Supreme Court in New York Attorney General Letitia James’ $250 million lawsuit against the former president, the Trump Organization and sons Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr. The judge interjected the comment as Trump lawyer Alina Habba had been repeating during her opening remarks that the Palm Beach estate would sell for roughly $1 billion — a figure that Engoron rejected last week in a bombshell ruling. In his decision, Engoron — who is deciding the trial rather than a jury — cited a local Palm Beach County official saying the country club had been assessed at a range of between $18 million and $27 million between 2011 and 2021. In the same decision, Engoron rejected Trump’s expert’s valuation that the Florida estate was worth $1.5 billion, finding the expert’s opinion “unexplained and unsubstantiated ‘dream[s.]'” Industry experts were left scratching their heads at the Palm Beach assessor’s seemingly low estimation, claiming that the resort would list closer to $300 million. https://nypost.com/2023/10/02/judge-implores-media-to-stop-saying-he-valued-mar-a-lago-at-18m/ In 2022, Forbes estimated the value of the estate at around $350 million.[25] Forbes said that 'Real estate experts outside of Palm Beach guessed that the place was worth more than $200 million. Brokers on the island thought it could be worth far more, with the most aggressive estimate coming in at $725 million. When Forbes last valued the property in March, we went with a conservative $350 million.' In a 2022 lawsuit filed by New York Attorney General Letitia James, it was alleged that Trump inflated the value of Mar-a-Lago to $739 million, when the property should actually be valued at $75 million.[39] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago#:~:text=In 2022%2C Forbes estimated the,coming in at %24725 million. Mar-a-Lago...has a conservation easement over the entire property...........owned by the National Trust for Historic Preservation the property will never change from what it is today........... How many people need a clubhouse.........????? that is not a home????? https://www.moorhead-law.com/single-post/2016/10/17/trump-s-golf-courses-expose-conservation-quagmire In 1995, (Trump) put an easement on his Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Florida that protected the historic features of the building. Trump later expanded the easement to limit home development on the property all the pie in the sky valuations you posted forget this fact.... Industry experts were left scratching their heads at the Palm Beach assessor’s seemingly low estimation, claiming that the resort would list closer to $300 million.....????? They missed the conservation easement, it is owned by the National Trust for Historic Preservation. Good luck finding a developer to buy Mar a Lago at any price. Enjoy reality Edited October 3, 2023 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 October 3, 2023 40 minutes ago, notsonice said: ha ha ha pay attention....Trump has already appealed to a higher court and they did not find fraud in the charges Indeed pay attention...This drama is out of control...or is it? Stay tuned the disclosure of the judgement facts are being disclosed..it is and will be a unparalleled event.. Almost on par with Hunter Biden's plea agreement..Tear It Up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM October 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Indeed pay attention...This drama is out of control...or is it? Stay tuned the disclosure of the judgement facts are being disclosed..it is and will be a unparalleled event.. Almost on par with Hunter Biden's plea agreement..Tear It Up. oh boy back to Hunter.... what happened with all of your BS about fraudulent trial in NY and Mar a lago being worth billions When you post BS and then you are called out for it ....what do you do ???? Scream Hunters laptop and his dick pics?????? When do you think they will find an unpaid parking ticket for Sleepy Joe????? 5 year investigation and nothing yet....... You must be one of the slowest Trumpers alive....waiting for a parking ticket..... in the meantime NY trial day 2... GA starting in a few weeks..... Trump jet will be back and forth Enjoy the Trials Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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