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All the more reason to rely on a transition to natural gas in developing nations.

You really do indulge in counterfactuals, showing an enormous lack of knowledge. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/teslas-oct-china-made-ev-sales-fall-53-yy-2024-11-04/ "U.S. automaker Tesla (TSLA.O), sold 68,280 China-made electric vehicles in October, down 5.3% from a year earlier, data from the China Passenger Car Association (CPCA) showed on Monday. Deliveries of China-made Model 3 and Model Y vehicles fell 22.7% from the previous month."

We have wind farms all around central Illinois, several near me. Our prices have risen steadily ever since they began building them. Now they are trying to con me into signing up to help them pay for new ones. My charges for delivery of electricity and natural gas are about as high as the cost of the energy itself then I pay several taxes with the bill. Some of those are to help support "clean" energy. If you follow the money, the benefit always goes to the suppliers. You have very little concept of how large corporations ramp up their profits to pay off politicians and investors. The customers are not the beneficiaries of wind farms and solar plants. Natural gas and oil are the solutions that benefits the customers. One of my daughters in California pays over $1000 per month for air conditioning and electricity, several months of the year. California has plenty of wind and solar while repressing natural gas, and oil production and use. Coloradans are now making the same mistake.

There are some large hydrogen startups around here but they are not based on renewable energy - they are all based on carbon capture of fossil fuels. It is still essentially just burning natural gas but the CO2 portion gets pushed back underground for carbon tax reasons ($).

From 'ZeroHedge', AKA Russian FSB: Assertion 1, regarding 'expensive' and 'often at the expense of grid reliability and affordability' depends on what one is comparing it to. Most of the time solar is cheaper than any fossil fuel power generation. Offshore wind economics, however, are often questionable. "The push for net zero emissions has led to higher energy costs for consumers... ". True in Germany. False in Texas. Again, note the clause 'the push'. It doesn't say that zero emissions are expensive, only that 'the push for' is expensive. This is a classic method of 'not saying' something while saying it. "...as well as disruptions to ecosystems and wildlife habitats." I suppose this could be compared to the mercury emissions from coal fired power plants and radioactive substances such as radon emitted from natural gas releases. Neither of these 'disrupts' ecosystems. "Utility companies are prioritizing short-term profits over their duty to provide reliable and affordable power to the public." OK, what does this have to do with government incentives? This is a classic 'change the narrative' ploy. First it's government, then it's utility companies. Who are we talking about in this post?

dude you posted...... Do you know that Tesla is the largest auto manufacturer in the world? stop using drugs........ Tesla is not the largest auto manufacturer in the world you think anyone will step up and pay 1 trillion for Tesla???? again stop using drugs I get it you own shares of Tesla and you are in love with Elon.....and your shares.........Basic investing strategy....do not marry your stock shares newsflash no one that owns a Tesla is in love with Elon any more except you?????????? take a time to read this article https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-falling-california-sales-are-bad-for-elon-musk-2024-10 TRANSPORTATION Why Tesla's sales are slipping in California, and what it means for Elon Musk's car company Nora Naughton Oct 30, 2024, 3:19 PM MDT

Do you know that Tesla is the largest auto manufacturer in the world?>>>> Tesla produced 1.85 million vehicles in 2023 which does not put Tesla in the top 12 car companies nope not even close....market cap means nothing...........would anyone buy tesla for 1 trillion dollars...............nope .....only an idiot believes Tesla is going to sell more cars next year than this year.........Tesla is at a cross roads Tesla Cyber truck????? oh boy what a flop............. all it takes is Teslas competitors to price their product which is the same as a Tesla EV at a lower price to wipe them out. Look at what is happening in China Tesla last year had 7 percent of the EV market, this year is 3 percent...... and the US market.........only so many buyers who are willing to overpay for a Tesla..... on the valuation..........you have to ask yourself what is their physical plant plus money in the bank worth today??? 1 trillion????? far from it you can buy and sell small amounts of overpriced shares all day...still at the end or the day no one will step in and pay 1 trillion for the whole of Tesla. I have worked for my share of companies that were overvalued on the stock market. Their share prices all ended up in the dumpster , as the respective execs of each company were just engaging into pumping up share values for their own benefit. Tesla Solar????.......poof.....Tesla batteries??? they do not make their own...panasonic makes them With Elons diving into politics he sure is alienating those who would ever think of buying a Tesla fast....... Do you think alot of Trumpers are going to run out and buy a Tesla today???? ha ha ha do not mix politics with a business ever.................... Tariffs are looming and my bet is China will make an example out of Tesla to its own people and Tesla in China will cease to sell any cars in China mid 2025........ you are better off at investing in Tulips than Buying Tesla shares today If you are holding Tesla shares ...........good luck 2023 [edit] Rank Group Country Sold vehicles (2023)[18] 1 Toyota Japan 10,307,395 2 Volkswagen Group Germany 9,239,575 3 Hyundai Motor Group South Korea 7,302,451 4 Stellantis Netherlands 6,392,600 5 General Motors United States 6,188,476 6 SAIC China 5,020,000 7 Ford Motor Company United States 4,413,545 8 Honda Japan 4,188,039 9 Nissan Japan 3,374,271 10 Suzuki Japan 3,225,359 11 BYD Auto China 3,024,417 12 BMW Germany 2,555,342

Oil production is at another all-time high as the major oil companies ramp up output to meet growing oil demand. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/US-Oil-Output-Hits-Record-High-in-August.html "The United States set a new crude oil production record in August 2024, averaging 13.4 million barrels per day (bpd), according to the Energy Information Administration (EIA). This figure eclipsed the previous peak of 13.3 million bpd in December 2023 and solidified the U.S.'s position as the world’s top oil producer—a title it has held since 2018." "Big Oil – ExxonMobil, Chevron, Shell, BP, and TotalEnergies – reported last week growing oil and gas production for the third quarter from a year earlier, as they look to grow advantaged lower-cost assets to deliver the energy the world needs. Meanwhile, European majors have scaled back their renewables ambitions and pivoted back to their core business of oil and gas."

You should actually read the historical record. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/IMFs-Proposed-Carbon-Restrictions-Could-Have-Major-Economic-Repercussions.html "Temperature records for hundreds of millions of years prove that warming periods are a mainstay of the Earth's climate history. In comparison, our current era is one of the coldest, not the warmest. Climate scientists ignore this data and use temperature records going back to the 1880s. Meaning, their data is based on a mere 140 years of the Earth's history. The current warming rate is not significant to other periods, nor is there any evidence that human activity is causing it. Data on carbon levels of the past show that temperatures do not necessarily rise in tandem with carbon activity. Carbon emissions are also far lower today than they have been in the past. The claim that carbon concentration due to human activity has a drastic influence on global temperatures (or weather) is absolutely unfounded. " It is clear from the records above that CO2 and earth temperature are anti-phasal. This has been known for quite some time, but the data have been ignored in the interest of twisting science into a political tool.

Sorry, right wingers can do math unlike the left.

I bought a block of UEC stock, Let's see what happens

I agree, and think that LNG may enjoy even more growth.

You somehow think this affects you? Oil down is good for us consumers, and as for Tesla shares, unless you're buying a Tesla or investing in the company who gives a crap? EV's might get crushed but ICE is still supreme!!!!

Are you this DUMB? USA increased worlds oil supply by ~5 Billion barrels a year. Canada in last decade had increased its oil output by ~2 Billion barrels a year. North America was not importing anymore. Had nothing to do with ~#45. Everyone else already had decade long sunk costs and wanted them paid back. World was in a gargantuan oil glut. Oil price cratering would have been FAR FAR worse if Nigeria wasn't effectively in a civil war, Libya WAS in a civil war, Venezuela decided to go Communist and be effectively embargoed from the USA light oil, Old USSR/Russia countries were coming massively online and had increased output to world by ~3Million barrels, and Iran was effectively embargoed. There is a gargantuan oil glut. If it wasn't for Ukraine war, oil price would STILL be in the dumps. Oh yea, Argentina/Brazil/Guyana are increasing output. Oh yea, and China is in a recession, but has gargantuan subsidy mandates internal to country to go NG/EV. Frankly how the oil price is as high as it is currently is driven mostly by fear and massive inflation.

Why should we tell you anything? When you are obviously wrong you never reply, you just disappear. That is no fun for us. Explain why we should not just ignore your posts now that the election is over. And it is very over.

Trump will not stop collecting taxes, you moron. Where the hell you go to school? TDS is what you have. I pity you! And your not even a US citizen, remember you said if Trump won you'd not enter the border. Well please don't. Don't need you socialistic agenda here as there is enough loonies in the N.W.

There was a time, i could recall some people actually called Musk a crook, a joke. Nothing he ventured in, shall without backing from Thiel, a few of his top engineers and a few elders from NASA, he might have gone out of picture way back... 1. He received or accepted volume of order that he could not meet. How many percents of order not yet delivered before new models are introduced and old one phased out? 2. He interfered with blockchain technology while knowing nothing or very little about it. He, his family and clones also blocked another coin being popularized. He let IMF and the government pay for the technology that he probably not yet build. Too busy with other things. Or punishing them for being imbeciles? 3. His tunnel transport, where his pet, Gary, the snail 🐌, walked faster than the progress, might have been abandoned. Same with charging station. Only a few were built with billions of fund? Promises not kept. That's why Biden was chosen... Trying to repeat these with Trump? Probably not the same out come. Trump has his sons, son-in-law, other family members and friends to pass him news for his judgement. What is Musk getting spending 75 m? Right to free speech, doing what matters etc? He will have a post? Education department seems good. He could - produce what market needs after interviewed all characters, - improve quality on rigid education that he dropped out by choice of, - solving problems of students in huge debt before having a job guaranteed, - social issue related to students pregnancy out of wed lock etc... EV has a long winding road until technology is matured and sustainable enough. Until Musk able to fix problems on EV highlighted, keep pushing will only get Gary's step, is it not? Not sure if dual nationality might disqualify his ambition to rule next... For your info, this is how thing is done. Once upon a time, many people were flocking to "donate ALL money to charity". Wwhhooowww....., generous and impressive, right? Decades later, when i was empowered to find out how to save tax for donor... truth is out..... 'o' Charity fund is tax free, right? '-' So, everyone has his/her money there. But, how to get it out and not caught? You must not let your activities be known. So, living like this is not comfortable, as rich as it is, always worry to get caught. Giving much to government for brainless spending? Very reluctant, so to say. Left one option: overhaul tax system. All the best...

If you have money nothing beats Vancouver island. Not Vancouver city, the island. Oh look Tesla stock gained over 11% in one day already. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=tesla+stock

Did you know that the Gulf actually leaks tar blobs on its own? Seeps. The oil outta the DeepWater was light "sweet" crude. Not heavy black tars like in the Lebrea Tar Pits. You can argue this till the cows come home but factual material is out there. A reminder, if your driving a FF car at all or is all you own, your part of the problem and not the solution. Same goes for notsosmart. You claimed to have 2 houses and whatever. Sell one and buy a EV. Put your money on it!!!!! Not so EV friendly?. Get a hybrid. Toyota makes alot of nice ones.

Turd Pond...just a simple question......you worked on Tar sands tailings ???? or did you work on Hard rock or Soft Rock tailings disposal (coal or potash) ??????????.....are do you just like boating on turd ponds??????? PS wow you are at Plus 84 this week in popularity....Old Dickhead will not not be happy that the Forum is showing you so much love Enjoy being the King ot the Oil Price Forum this week ....keep up the good work

Why do you care about my popularity? You are just sore that an energy price forum is not 100% pro-oil. Just an FYI all votes count, even those who hold environmentalist or liberal views.

Nothing is known as fact. I've been in the states plenty, why do you consider it "the real world?" Living in hardship? As for "mommies basement" we currently own two houses and a condo, one house has a basement suite - you could rent it from me! Stop avoiding the simple questions: Do you think Elon Musk is sponsoring Trump for nothing? Do you deny that Musk spoke at a Trump rally just because NBC reported it? Think for yourself.

He is, campaign contributions have to be reported (to some extent). Elon is also certainly buying Trump with undisclosed deals. If I stir up crap that is because there is crap here to stir up! I will defend the environment and human rights. Would you like to deny me of my freedom of speech? Be patriotic and allow my liberty! Don't be sore most of the cult ran away from the forum, they got ashamed after all the failure. You can't be wrong damn always for years and show face; well I guess we do have the local clown who still entertains us.

Trump's group has already spent 72m of Musk money. https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musk-donates-75m-to-help-trump-campaign-13234824 "Around $72m (£56m) of the $75m (£58m) has already been spent by the group on canvassing efforts to encourage people to vote."

Answer me this. Do you think Elon Musk is sponsoring Trump for nothing? Do you deny that Musk spoke at a Trump rally just because NBC reported it? Simple questions. PS Proud to be a Canadian, and didn't whine at all, just pointing out observations. If you don't think there is a Musk-Trump relationship you are just not looking because you don't want it to be true.

Eco is the gift that keeps giving! Too funny!

Fire risk remains lower than for traditional vehicles......Electric vehicle fires in Korea are increasing with EV numbers, but the rate is still less than for petrol or diesel cars Thanks for pointing this out

They are improved but still garbage. You do understand the difference between good results and improved results, right? Did you get "most improved" awards in school? Those awards are for losers to make them feel better. Personally, I got honours awards. You defend your statement that losing money is "great success." You know how they could stop losing money enterily? Shut down the whole company and do nothing! They would save £12.2m per quarter. Keep up the entertainment!

Eco once again comedy gold! You spout off about the only EV sales are to the luxury market and then try and cling onto that exact market for ICE vehicles. Aston make great cars, not so much great profits. Please keep posting. I always get a laugh when you do.

Tesla market cap is over 810 billion.

Not necessary, you have already been provided with it. Read the analysis of genuine market analysts. Tesla is suffering from declines in earnings and reduction in sales. https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-stock-a-buy-or-a-sell-elon-musk-donald-trump/#:~:text=Wall Street consensus also has,decline vs. %243.12 in 2023. "Wall Street consensus also has 2024 Tesla earnings firmly below last year's level. That signals another year of earnings declines for this growth stock. Analysts currently expect Tesla earnings per share of just $2.42 in 2024, according to FactSet. That would be about a 22% decline vs. $3.12 in 2023." "U.S. automaker Tesla (TSLA.O), sold 68,280 China-made electric vehicles in October, down 5.3% from a year earlier, data from the China Passenger Car Association (CPCA) showed on Monday. Deliveries of China-made Model 3 and Model Y vehicles fell 22.7 % from the previous month."

Er, notice the context, "U.S. oil producer Apache plans to cease oil production at its assets in the UK North Sea by 2030, due to the windfall tax on operators." Less oil supplies = restricted gasoline = upward pressure on oil and gasoline prices = political repercussions. Those darned political repercussions can be real nasty.

This is the logical choice, but the powers that be in the U.S. the "IRS" won't let that happen. The IRS is the almighty powerful entity that has the right to confiscate your savings, bonds, etc. and leave one powerless to get it back. They don't have to prove "guilt", you have to prove innocence.

Dude, Musk owns Tesla and Trump. Musk is not giving Trump money for nothing. Don't be naive and think Trump will be the saviour of the USA ICE auto industry. Trump even recently badmouthed the traditional auto industry because they have unions. Furthermore, the regulations you hate are at the State level.

Keep it up man, we enjoy the entertainment. Super luxury brand sticking with gas for a bit longer is all you got? Aston Martin, Mercedes in the "supercar segment." Those sports cars do not reflect everyday consumer vehicles, they are toys for the rich.

Bwahahaha like you always do? You never back up your BS statements. Talingspond has got your number and routinely makes you look daft when you start contradicting your own initial comments. Its comedy genius, but you dont even realise youre doing it!

You jump from voter security issues to the Jews did the holocaust themselves? Take your hate crimes elsewhere. @selva

See it is Ron who hates free market capitalism, not me.

Eleven people died. Tell the families of the dead that it was no big deal and microorganisms will clean it up. As for "abandoning free market capitalism" that was in response to a comment where "wind mills and solar are good if made in the west." Free market capitalism would make the product good no matter where it was made. Chill out man. I know you side with the dullards I beat on here but it is not against you.

All I asked was for you to use the same logic for oil as you do anything else. "Prices fell because of the lack of demand and the buildup of unsold product...funny how that happens." WTI was ~$85 last year and is now ~$71. Supply was in the quote of yours I mentioned. Use the same logic for oil!

what percentage are decided for trump? far less than 58%

Try to find some quotes of me supporting hydrogen. I primarily am against air pollution (think PM2.5 not greenhouse gasses) from dirty fossil fuel sources like coal.

You are the deflector, you never answer simple questions. FYI the province also contributed, funnily enough under the Ford government (Doug Ford). As for a response, the government works really slow - their lawyers will get around this soon enough. The government does not even have to make any announcements, they just can not give Ford the subsidy money due to P3 contract violations.

These guys keep saying that the green revolution is already over, yet continue to notice that is is not over. "Signals an end" means he knows it is not over.

But it is a huge reduction in the rate of growth. From +100 to +57 in one year, project that forward. If you use a fixed fraction of 0.57 of the previous year you get (100, 57, 32.5, 18.5). If you use a fixed reduction of demand in tonnage, -43 million tons, you get (100, 57, 14, -29). So from any of those, or your numbers, you can forecast the death of coal. Not that anybody needs math to predict the death of coal, there are plenty of examples of near abandoned towns due to the closure of the local coal mine. The gold rush ended and so has the coal rush.

Why do you guys continue to carry on about something you claim is over? Are you trying to convince us or yourself? Do you just want a upvote from the one or two other remaining losers here as some sort of validation? You and EWS could just start a direct message thread and do a virtual dutch rudder. Personally, I wouldn't waste my keystrokes here if I was certain something was happening. I would be on the market shorting every green energy stock. You, of course, are not shorting any green energy or EV stocks because you have no faith in your statements. If you and eyes shut are so certain the green revolution is over go put all your money where your mouth is. Sadly, you guys probably have little to no money speak with. After all we know how your year-end oil price prediction worked out... P.S. The Titanic that sunk ran off fossil fuels, it's captain stupidly drove full steam ahead into oblivion. A green energy sailboat would have avoided the iceberg.

First off businesses do nothing, employees do. They have plenty of ways of defending against theft. Shoplifting detection devices, putting high theft items behind the counter, trained security. Remember armed robbery is still a felony. We are talking about low-value shoplifting here.

Gasoline and other oil bi-product inventories went way up recently; so much of the uptick in crude demand was from refineries not end users. FYI "exceeding expectations" doesn't always mean you are doing well. It can mean "not as crappy as expected."

Do you still think governments need to balance their budgets? https://www.usdebtclock.org/

They divided up 33K of change. Where the baseline heat or "effective earth temperature " of 255K came from is not in discussion here only the change (33K) and they say the observed temperature changes are from greenhouse gasses. You must be able to read that. You are drawing conclusions they did not make. http://www.ijaos.org/article/298/10.11648.j.ijaos.20210502.12 "It has long been accepted that the “greenhouse effect”, where the atmosphere readily transmits short wavelength incoming solar radiation but selectively absorbs long wavelength outgoing radiation emitted by the earth, is responsible for warming the earth from the 255K effective earth temperature, without atmospheric warming, to the current average temperature of 288K." "From this data it is concluded that H2O is responsible for 29.4K of the 33K warming, with CO2 contributing 3.3K and CH4 and N2O combined just 0.3K."